[car fanatics]

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Photo credit: Toyota
July 28, 2012

The Toyota Camry topped this year's American-Made Index, extending its No. 1 status to four years running. Ford's F-150 landed by a photo-finish at No. 2, falling behind the Camry by fewer than two days of sales. The F-150 was once a common AMI leader, topping the index from 2006 to 2008, but lower domestic parts content had dropped the best-selling pickup off the list. With its domestic parts content back to 75 percent — up from 60 percent last year — the F-150 returns to the AMI for 2012.

   

[McLovin]

I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

[Gixser995]

Unfortunately, those that don't know much about these content breakdowns see this as a bigger deal than it actually is.


Not to mention, other cars not listed have a higher parts content. Like the Chevy Express at 80%

[McLovin]

Someone needs to break it down by benefit to country.

[MOPAR74]

The Chrysler 200 has an American parts content percentage of 83%

[Brown_Pride]

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

Its hard to believe that anyone other than a potential Al Qaeda recruit would "Champion" this as a great thing. Toyota could build every bit.. and source every bit from American companies and it would still be a FOREIGN POS. There is no animosity no envy.. just fuckin HATE.. and not as much for the Foreign companies as the Americans that try and justify their HATE for their own industry.

[RougeRiver]

The facts are that the domestic content law is an extremely flawed method of measuring how much value is added to product by a particular country.

For example, the F-150 is based on a frame that is dedicated the the North American market. As a result, the engineering of the frame and the tooling needed to make the frame is largely done in the USA.

The Camry, on the other hand, is based on a world platform with four variants to serve the particular needs of the country to which the particular variant is sold. The engineering of the platform and the tooling required to fabricate it is done in Japan.

The domestic content label counts fabrication from metal stock as being 100% made in the USA.


Even that metric is quite flawed.

The county of Mexico has no facilities that make cold rolled steel.

So, how then, are the metal subcomponents that make up the unit body of a Fusion 100% made in Mexico?


Mexico has no, zip, nada machine tool industry.

How then, are the welding robots that fabricate the metal stampings into the unit body of a Fusion 100% Mexican labor while the made in Japan welding robots in the USA 100% American?


Although final assembly of parts and products in the USA is a good thing, I urge people to look into this subject in more depth.

Final assembly close to market reduces shipping costs. One ship can carry 5000 cars. That said, it would takes 60 ship roundtrips per year to deliver 300,000 Camrys to market. One large ship can carry all primary tooling and can last one or more product cycles. IOW, final assembly close to market saves Toyota money.

When I start seeing lots of patents to Americans working for Toyota engineerin their products, then tell me that they are "more American".

If one feels that the USA should have an automobile industry based on the Mexican model, then so be it.

[greyhairedpete]

Brown_Pride;221809 Wrote:

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

Wasn't this car the original "peoples champ"?

[McLovin]

Brown_Pride;221809 Wrote:

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

See rouge's thread above, and stfu please. You're constant cheering against anything American is obvious and lame.

And to Rouge, spot on my America loving friend. Well said
And I would like to add, that I would much rather have anything that involves Mexico and Canada (North America), than I would have ANYTHING that in involves ANYTHING from an Asian country.

[GotMopar?]

I could care less. Or is it I couldn't care less? Oh to hell with it...Meh!

[AlwaysSmooth]

Brown_Pride;221809 Wrote:

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

If Honda and Toyota weren't good products, Ford, GM and Chrysler wouldn't be what they are now. This we all know regardless of what anyone says. You don't lose sales, need to be bought/assisted or go freaking bankrupt by selling "good" cars.

Like Whitney says:


If you don't care about this, why take your time out to post on it? That's stupid...

[McLovin]

AlwaysSmooth;221865 Wrote:

Brown_Pride;221809 Wrote:

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

If Honda and Toyota weren't good products, Ford, GM and Chrysler wouldn't be what they are now. This we all know regardless of what anyone says. You don't lose sales, need to be bought/assisted or go freaking bankrupt by selling "good" cars.

Like Whitney says:
"Fuck Whitney"

If you don't care about this, why take your time out to post on it? That's stupid...

Japanese products are fine, just not better.
And when you fill the market with more fine product, or more choices, then everyone's sales go down. Don't you fucking understand that? 20 choices instead of 3 = less volume for the original 3. Things have finally equalized across the board.

And actually, Detroit does make better trucks and SUV/CUV's, by far. Proven by sales. And now they are making better sedans once again, after losing focus on them for a bit.

Competition has ALWAYS been around. Refocusing some of Detroit's efforts a bit on other product, does not mean we thank a certain automaker or two. So don't you dare give any success' from Detroit to Japan, you fucking degenerate. If anything, the Germans have been the ones to compete against, and for far longer. Just ask Japan.

LOL at smooth.
Once a fool, always a fool.

[AlwaysSmooth]

McLovin;221887 Wrote:

AlwaysSmooth;221865 Wrote:

Brown_Pride;221809 Wrote:

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

If Honda and Toyota weren't good products, Ford, GM and Chrysler wouldn't be what they are now. This we all know regardless of what anyone says. You don't lose sales, need to be bought/assisted or go freaking bankrupt by selling "good" cars.

Like Whitney says:
"Fuck Whitney"

If you don't care about this, why take your time out to post on it? That's stupid...

Japanese products are fine, just not better.
And when you fill the market with more fine product, or more choices, then everyone's sales go down. Don't you fucking understand that? 20 choices instead of 3 = less volume for the original 3. Things have finally equalized across the board.

And actually, Detroit does make better trucks and SUV/CUV's, by far. Proven by sales. And now they are making better sedans once again, after losing focus on them for a bit.

Competition has ALWAYS been around. Refocusing some of Detroit's efforts a bit on other product, does not mean we thank a certain automaker or two. So don't you dare give any success' from Detroit to Japan, you fucking degenerate. If anything, the Germans have been the ones to compete against, and for far longer. Just ask Japan.

LOL at smooth.
Once a fool, always a fool.

No, you do thank them. You thank them every time Ford comes up with something better than their last, because truth be told, you know just as well as I do if it weren't for Japanese dominance in the 90s and early 2000s, things would not be how they are now. The Germans don't even produce mainstream cars to the effect of the Japanese and Americans now, let alone then, so why would we thank them for anything? Jetta and Passat are just becoming big targets in their markets. It was Civic, Accord, Corolla and Camry as the big targets for Taurus, Cavalier, Escort, etc. Which cars battled for best selling titles? Exactly. The ones I mentioned.

And look at you. You must resort to name calling to get your point across.


LOL at McLovin:
Once, twice and three times a lady

[McLovin]

AlwaysSmooth;221894 Wrote:

McLovin;221887 Wrote:

AlwaysSmooth;221865 Wrote:

Brown_Pride;221809 Wrote:

McLovin;221780 Wrote:I wonder if anyone will go sell their American made, American owned truck, and go get a Japnez owned pos?


Doubt it.
These measured break downs mean squat because of how they are biased.
Nobody cares.

I really don't know what makes domestic fanboys say those words; either jealousy or animosity.
Anyhow, the Camry is the people's champ.

If Honda and Toyota weren't good products, Ford, GM and Chrysler wouldn't be what they are now. This we all know regardless of what anyone says. You don't lose sales, need to be bought/assisted or go freaking bankrupt by selling "good" cars.

Like Whitney says:
"Fuck Whitney"

If you don't care about this, why take your time out to post on it? That's stupid...

Japanese products are fine, just not better.
And when you fill the market with more fine product, or more choices, then everyone's sales go down. Don't you fucking understand that? 20 choices instead of 3 = less volume for the original 3. Things have finally equalized across the board.

And actually, Detroit does make better trucks and SUV/CUV's, by far. Proven by sales. And now they are making better sedans once again, after losing focus on them for a bit.

Competition has ALWAYS been around. Refocusing some of Detroit's efforts a bit on other product, does not mean we thank a certain automaker or two. So don't you dare give any success' from Detroit to Japan, you fucking degenerate. If anything, the Germans have been the ones to compete against, and for far longer. Just ask Japan.

LOL at smooth.
Once a fool, always a fool.

No, you do thank them. You thank them every time Ford comes up with something better than their last, because truth be told, you know just as well as I do if it weren't for Japanese dominance in the 90s and early 2000s, things would not be how they are now. The Germans don't even produce mainstream cars to the effect of the Japanese and Americans now, let alone then, so why would we thank them for anything? Jetta and Passat are just becoming big targets in their markets. It was Civic, Accord, Corolla and Camry as the big targets for Taurus, Cavalier, Escort, etc. Which cars battled for best selling titles? Exactly. The ones I mentioned.

And look at you. You must resort to name calling to get your point across.


LOL at McLovin:
Once, twice and three times a lady

You really are a fool.
What dominance exactly do you speak of for two decades by Japan?
Certainly not in sales. GM and Ford peaked during the late 90's. Was it quality? Hard to tell, cuz Toyota is still hiding their quality problems, and did they not pretty much recall everything they made in the last decade????

Pathetic comment by our resident fool.

America was choosing SUV's for several decades and Detroit gave them what they wanted for almost the same duration, until the perfect storm rolled in and Detroit had to reinvent itself a bit as well as resize, based on other competition from Korea, etc.

I simply can't think of one Toyota product that is better than a Ford product. Certainly not a Honda either. And Nissan......take away a sports car, they got nothing as well.

And I did not "resort" to anything.
I have always spoken to you in this manner, because you always comment foolishly, and it is my pleasure to do so.
AlwaysFool is your new name