[iDream Theater]

The Voice of Doom;188961 Wrote:You're just jealous that Ford had to sell off THEIR Japanese carmaker to make the mortgage payments.

Yeah those freakin idiots should have done the RIGHT way and waited for a handout.

[Chevroletguy]

McLovin;188955 Wrote:Gm does not engineer their own diesels.
They do "co-engineer" their applications however.........which means they do the hard work of telling Isuzu how much power they need, or line up bolt patterns on housings and such.


You can say what you want bout the ford diesel, but you have to give them credit for producing a powerful diesel engine, completely by themselves, that is class leading in several ways. Just standing next to one, you are hard pressed to even tell if it is gas or diesel. Let's hear the competition claim the same. And that does matter to many. Fuel economy and emissions is best as well. Consider too that the ford is a pig in weight, yet still manages better.

I would say ford has done a great job with it.

frak the haters and their jap engines.

Did you not see my post? GM owns DMAX now, they bought Isuzu's share out.

[McLovin]

Oh I see, gm purchased Isuzu.

So a decade ago, if ford owned navistar, then they can claim what they want to.


Cut the crap. Gm called on Isuzu's power train engineers to do the heavy lifting on all their diesel engineering. Co engineering happens all the time. But mostly to help align a system to another system or vehicle.

When gm does it completely by themselves, from a clean sheet, call ford and they might be impressed.

Til then, we call it the Japanese heart transplant....

[GotMopar?]

LovemyFord;188780 Wrote:So you're trying to brag up the droopy face ugly frakking dodges with rear coils....ooooooooohhhhh my.

Yep, so glad Fiat took over Ram! As for Powerstroke vs. Cummins, come up to Boom country tell my what dominates the roads. Dodge's engines are old tech and tired...they really need to come up with something new....The Hemi is not what it us to be....hell atleast try VCT. Yes you will say it didn't do much for ford....the 5.4 and 4.6 were testers....Ford got it right with the 5.0. And sorry, Dodge still has not gotten there transmissions right.

As for durability of 6.7, so for it has been great...I have only seen 5 that needed new engines...All five were narrow frame chasis cab. When they came in all had over-rev codes and were grossly overloaded.
Other then that...there is a TSB for NOx sensor that I've had to do on about 10, but that is all I've seen wrong.

As for not changing it for a while....Good, because I love this current design...they should keep it around as long as the 1997-2003 (or 2004 Heritage) model. I think six years is good run.

Side NOTE....PLEASE NISSAN, do something with the Titan.

And seriously...Dodge's Grill Headlights make it look all droopy faced and sad from the front...I know it's a poor dodge. Sorry, RAM.

Have you exploded in your Ford lately?

[GotMopar?]

LovemyFord;188863 Wrote:

The Voice of Doom;188838 Wrote:Don't Care who buys them. They are work trucks and get abused.

-Sales are sales, true. But given the profit margins on, say, a Denali or Laramie Limited, I don't think that Ford flooding the workplace with farm trucks exactly pads their bottom line.

How do the Dodge's hold up under same conditions, or are they not selling. Sorry, don't count weekend wariors or light contractors for a test of a truck...Hell, I wouldn't use my truck when promoting Ford's for working...I pamper mine. Full Syn oil every 7500 miles...try to clean her every other week. and approaching 41K on a 2010 already

-Nice assumption on my contractor buddy the "weekend warrior." A brutally INCORRECT one, but whatever.

As for mortality...A company down here in ND with the oil fields has had a lot of problems with engines. But pushing vehicles 25K between oil changes...well we just like to say its costs them $6k for an oil change.

-Don't know what you guys down there do as far as oil changes, don't care. The mortality rate I was referring to was with diesels. Specfically, Ford diesels were losing their cool. A recurring theme, it appears.

Boat anchors... Why, because they didn't do the best in the quarter? Fun when you could still tow more with an F-150 then the 1500. Trucks ain't race cars, and I'm more than happy with my third 5.4.

-Spoken like a guy who hasn't been stuck behind a loaded half-ton Ford blocking traffic on an uphill grade. Dismal power+no improvement in economy=5.4 fail.

One can never argue look, because everyone has different tastes. I say they look sad, an am ill impressed with them, and I use to work at a dodge store....best thing for me...made me realize I will NEVER buy a Jeep or Dodge.

-Fair enough. Then shut your piehole about your personal beefs. My first post about the Ram was just to say that it's innovations were keeping the full-size truck market from stagnating. That's all. You're a newbie, so I'll give you some advice: McLovin isn't a good example to follow if you're a Ford fan.

Innovations...What innovations have they brought to the market. Coil's in the back is about it. Oh and heated steering...There engines are not innovating at all anymore. So what innovation....Would you mean like GM being so innovating they had to go back to rear drum brakes.

Newbie...you may want to rethink that! I've taken a long, long break from this place...but not a newbie...so rethink that KID! As for me following anyone...NOPE...I've just determined I don't think I like you. I may have to lump you in the same group as Cream Puff! :ohmy: I Love Ford's yes, but wife wants and Audi, and that's what she'll get. I just really hate the fact of the bail outs...and don't consider Dodge domestic...consider they are primarly owned by Fiat and UAW. So it's Ford or nonbailed out imports for me!!!::

I've been around long enough to earn my bias. I use to want nothing but GM cars when the 3800 was around...owned three: 2 Buick Regals and an Olds Intrique...Oh and a lemon GMC S15...That was not professional grade

LOL, sorry ain't my truck holding up traffic 5.4 does just fine...well except when my dipshit brother showed up with his new ecoboost and wanted to race...I knew I was going to loss. Oh and he's another happy GM/Dodge Convert....Trade his Ponitac for the Ecoboost...His wife traded the Dodge Intrepid for a Edge.

LOL at LovemyFerd. Drive down to any Chrysler, GM, Toyota, or whatever dealership and look at the number of Ford's that are traded in on competitor makes. So what if your Bro and sister-in-law traded in a Pontiac and Dodge on new Fords. During that same time hundreds of Ford owner's traded of Fords for Dodges and Buicks.

[The Voice of Doom]

McLovin;189022 Wrote:Oh I see, gm purchased Isuzu.

So a decade ago, if ford owned navistar, then they can claim what they want to.


Cut the crap. Gm called on Isuzu's power train engineers to do the heavy lifting on all their diesel engineering. Co engineering happens all the time. But mostly to help align a system to another system or vehicle.

When gm does it completely by themselves, from a clean sheet, call ford and they might be impressed.

Til then, we call it the Japanese heart transplant....

Ok, we'll play it by your rules then. Ford had to take a second crack at building AMERICAN diesel engines because it's first attempt at an AMERICAN diesel engine was total crap. Meanwhile, Japanese Isuzu nailed their first attempt and have been money ever since. Feel like wrapping yerself in the flag now?

Ironically, it also brings this thing full-circle to my original point: Japanese innovation in the light-passenger vehicle marketplace kicked off the innovation that Ford seems nearly desperate to once again slack off on.

And now a parting word from an old friend brought back by popular demand!

"With all of the history that's been
Ford's craziness manifests when
They have the same faults,
But want different results,
Redone over and over again..."

[MOPAR74]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



The God damned sea cow!