[The Voice of Doom]

McLovin;188787 Wrote:Dodge Diesels are purchased.
Ford Diesels are engineered and made by Ford.

When Dodge makes a Diesel engine, or GM, lets talk.

Our diesels were built for a song
But Navistar's hitting the bong
With the stang, could you please
Make the trannies Chinese
After all, what could possibly go wrong?

[The Voice of Doom]

McLovin;188791 Wrote:

The Voice of Doom;188781 Wrote:Sorry dood, but Rams are awesome. Thet look awesome, they drive awesome, and my contractor friend who bought one says they work awesome. And I'm a GM guy.

Fords are all over the place here in Alberta. They're mostly refrigerator white and not privately owned. Over the past decade or so the diesel ones have had a horrible mortality rate and the gas engines have been boat anchors. I'm sure you can pimp one out nicely enough and the new engines seem to be ok, but...

What a complete liar.
What a complete DICK:2thumbsup:

I calls it as I sees it. I'm guessing you're bitter 'cause you didn't expect me to respond to your drunken poetry so effectively. In any event, suck it up, slappy. You got pwned.

[Chevroletguy]

McLovin;188787 Wrote:Dodge Diesels are purchased.
Ford Diesels are engineered and made by Ford.

When Dodge makes a Diesel engine, or GM, lets talk.

GM makes their diesels too:

Quote:DMAX of Moraine, Ohio is a manufacturer of Diesel engines for trucks. Originally a joint venture between General Motors and Isuzu, now all owned and operated by General Motors.

Wikipedia

[LovemyFord]

The Voice of Doom;188838 Wrote:Don't Care who buys them. They are work trucks and get abused.

-Sales are sales, true. But given the profit margins on, say, a Denali or Laramie Limited, I don't think that Ford flooding the workplace with farm trucks exactly pads their bottom line.

How do the Dodge's hold up under same conditions, or are they not selling. Sorry, don't count weekend wariors or light contractors for a test of a truck...Hell, I wouldn't use my truck when promoting Ford's for working...I pamper mine. Full Syn oil every 7500 miles...try to clean her every other week. and approaching 41K on a 2010 already

-Nice assumption on my contractor buddy the "weekend warrior." A brutally INCORRECT one, but whatever.

As for mortality...A company down here in ND with the oil fields has had a lot of problems with engines. But pushing vehicles 25K between oil changes...well we just like to say its costs them $6k for an oil change.

-Don't know what you guys down there do as far as oil changes, don't care. The mortality rate I was referring to was with diesels. Specfically, Ford diesels were losing their cool. A recurring theme, it appears.

Boat anchors... Why, because they didn't do the best in the quarter? Fun when you could still tow more with an F-150 then the 1500. Trucks ain't race cars, and I'm more than happy with my third 5.4.

-Spoken like a guy who hasn't been stuck behind a loaded half-ton Ford blocking traffic on an uphill grade. Dismal power+no improvement in economy=5.4 fail.

One can never argue look, because everyone has different tastes. I say they look sad, an am ill impressed with them, and I use to work at a dodge store....best thing for me...made me realize I will NEVER buy a Jeep or Dodge.

-Fair enough. Then shut your piehole about your personal beefs. My first post about the Ram was just to say that it's innovations were keeping the full-size truck market from stagnating. That's all. You're a newbie, so I'll give you some advice: McLovin isn't a good example to follow if you're a Ford fan.

Innovations...What innovations have they brought to the market. Coil's in the back is about it. Oh and heated steering...There engines are not innovating at all anymore. So what innovation....Would you mean like GM being so innovating they had to go back to rear drum brakes.

Newbie...you may want to rethink that! I've taken a long, long break from this place...but not a newbie...so rethink that KID! As for me following anyone...NOPE...I've just determined I don't think I like you. I may have to lump you in the same group as Cream Puff! :ohmy: I Love Ford's yes, but wife wants and Audi, and that's what she'll get. I just really hate the fact of the bail outs...and don't consider Dodge domestic...consider they are primarly owned by Fiat and UAW. So it's Ford or nonbailed out imports for me!!!::

I've been around long enough to earn my bias. I use to want nothing but GM cars when the 3800 was around...owned three: 2 Buick Regals and an Olds Intrique...Oh and a lemon GMC S15...That was not professional grade

LOL, sorry ain't my truck holding up traffic 5.4 does just fine...well except when my dipshit brother showed up with his new ecoboost and wanted to race...I knew I was going to loss. Oh and he's another happy GM/Dodge Convert....Trade his Ponitac for the Ecoboost...His wife traded the Dodge Intrepid for a Edge.

[Gixser995]

LovemyFord;188863 Wrote:

The Voice of Doom;188838 Wrote:Don't Care who buys them. They are work trucks and get abused.

-Sales are sales, true. But given the profit margins on, say, a Denali or Laramie Limited, I don't think that Ford flooding the workplace with farm trucks exactly pads their bottom line.

How do the Dodge's hold up under same conditions, or are they not selling. Sorry, don't count weekend wariors or light contractors for a test of a truck...Hell, I wouldn't use my truck when promoting Ford's for working...I pamper mine. Full Syn oil every 7500 miles...try to clean her every other week. and approaching 41K on a 2010 already

-Nice assumption on my contractor buddy the "weekend warrior." A brutally INCORRECT one, but whatever.

As for mortality...A company down here in ND with the oil fields has had a lot of problems with engines. But pushing vehicles 25K between oil changes...well we just like to say its costs them $6k for an oil change.

-Don't know what you guys down there do as far as oil changes, don't care. The mortality rate I was referring to was with diesels. Specfically, Ford diesels were losing their cool. A recurring theme, it appears.

Boat anchors... Why, because they didn't do the best in the quarter? Fun when you could still tow more with an F-150 then the 1500. Trucks ain't race cars, and I'm more than happy with my third 5.4.

-Spoken like a guy who hasn't been stuck behind a loaded half-ton Ford blocking traffic on an uphill grade. Dismal power+no improvement in economy=5.4 fail.

One can never argue look, because everyone has different tastes. I say they look sad, an am ill impressed with them, and I use to work at a dodge store....best thing for me...made me realize I will NEVER buy a Jeep or Dodge.

-Fair enough. Then shut your piehole about your personal beefs. My first post about the Ram was just to say that it's innovations were keeping the full-size truck market from stagnating. That's all. You're a newbie, so I'll give you some advice: McLovin isn't a good example to follow if you're a Ford fan.

Innovations...What innovations have they brought to the market. Coil's in the back is about it. Oh and heated steering...There engines are not innovating at all anymore. So what innovation....Would you mean like GM being so innovating they had to go back to rear drum brakes.

Newbie...you may want to rethink that! I've taken a long, long break from this place...but not a newbie...so rethink that KID! As for me following anyone...NOPE...I've just determined I don't think I like you. I may have to lump you in the same group as Cream Puff! :ohmy: I Love Ford's yes, but wife wants and Audi, and that's what she'll get. I just really hate the fact of the bail outs...and don't consider Dodge domestic...consider they are primarly owned by Fiat and UAW. So it's Ford or nonbailed out imports for me!!!::

I've been around long enough to earn my bias. I use to want nothing but GM cars when the 3800 was around...owned three: 2 Buick Regals and an Olds Intrique...Oh and a lemon GMC S15...That was not professional grade

LOL, sorry ain't my truck holding up traffic 5.4 does just fine...well except when my dipshit brother showed up with his new ecoboost and wanted to race...I knew I was going to loss. Oh and he's another happy GM/Dodge Convert....Trade his Ponitac for the Ecoboost...His wife traded the Dodge Intrepid for a Edge.

You made a thread a few weeks back about hating the drama, then you post in here swinging. Dude, you adjusted too well. And I do agree GM should have never gone back to drum brakes. I hate them with a passion.

[Gixser995]

McLovin;188787 Wrote:Dodge Diesels are purchased.
Ford Diesels are engineered and made by Ford.

When Dodge makes a Diesel engine, or GM, lets talk.

Ford until recently used a motor built by Navistar for Ford.

GM used to use Detroit Diesel for decades. A company they started, and owned until Daimler bought it in 2000. That's when GM went in to a joint partnership with Isuzu to build the Duramax motor. Isuzu may have done most of the work, but who owned Isuzu at the time? GM did. And Isuzu can actually make a pretty good diesel. As proof from decades of them making pickups and medium duty trucks.

As for Dodge, Cummins makes great diesels and is American, so I say big deal.

But let's get back to the F150.
It's a great truck.

[LovemyFord]

Gixser995;188870 Wrote:

LovemyFord;188863 Wrote:

The Voice of Doom;188838 Wrote:Don't Care who buys them. They are work trucks and get abused.

-Sales are sales, true. But given the profit margins on, say, a Denali or Laramie Limited, I don't think that Ford flooding the workplace with farm trucks exactly pads their bottom line.

How do the Dodge's hold up under same conditions, or are they not selling. Sorry, don't count weekend wariors or light contractors for a test of a truck...Hell, I wouldn't use my truck when promoting Ford's for working...I pamper mine. Full Syn oil every 7500 miles...try to clean her every other week. and approaching 41K on a 2010 already

-Nice assumption on my contractor buddy the "weekend warrior." A brutally INCORRECT one, but whatever.

As for mortality...A company down here in ND with the oil fields has had a lot of problems with engines. But pushing vehicles 25K between oil changes...well we just like to say its costs them $6k for an oil change.

-Don't know what you guys down there do as far as oil changes, don't care. The mortality rate I was referring to was with diesels. Specfically, Ford diesels were losing their cool. A recurring theme, it appears.

Boat anchors... Why, because they didn't do the best in the quarter? Fun when you could still tow more with an F-150 then the 1500. Trucks ain't race cars, and I'm more than happy with my third 5.4.

-Spoken like a guy who hasn't been stuck behind a loaded half-ton Ford blocking traffic on an uphill grade. Dismal power+no improvement in economy=5.4 fail.

One can never argue look, because everyone has different tastes. I say they look sad, an am ill impressed with them, and I use to work at a dodge store....best thing for me...made me realize I will NEVER buy a Jeep or Dodge.

-Fair enough. Then shut your piehole about your personal beefs. My first post about the Ram was just to say that it's innovations were keeping the full-size truck market from stagnating. That's all. You're a newbie, so I'll give you some advice: McLovin isn't a good example to follow if you're a Ford fan.

Innovations...What innovations have they brought to the market. Coil's in the back is about it. Oh and heated steering...There engines are not innovating at all anymore. So what innovation....Would you mean like GM being so innovating they had to go back to rear drum brakes.

Newbie...you may want to rethink that! I've taken a long, long break from this place...but not a newbie...so rethink that KID! As for me following anyone...NOPE...I've just determined I don't think I like you. I may have to lump you in the same group as Cream Puff! :ohmy: I Love Ford's yes, but wife wants and Audi, and that's what she'll get. I just really hate the fact of the bail outs...and don't consider Dodge domestic...consider they are primarly owned by Fiat and UAW. So it's Ford or nonbailed out imports for me!!!::

I've been around long enough to earn my bias. I use to want nothing but GM cars when the 3800 was around...owned three: 2 Buick Regals and an Olds Intrique...Oh and a lemon GMC S15...That was not professional grade

LOL, sorry ain't my truck holding up traffic 5.4 does just fine...well except when my dipshit brother showed up with his new ecoboost and wanted to race...I knew I was going to loss. Oh and he's another happy GM/Dodge Convert....Trade his Ponitac for the Ecoboost...His wife traded the Dodge Intrepid for a Edge.

You made a thread a few weeks back about hating the drama, then you post in here swinging. Dude, you adjusted too well. And I do agree GM should have never gone back to drum brakes. I hate them with a passion.

Thanks for pointing that out. I will issue myself a one week ban starting in three hours . Just certain people get under my skin, like this "VD" kid (Calls me a newb) and Cream Puff.

There are a lot of vehicles out there that still use rear drum. I don't understand it. Tech. has advanced and yout think it would be just as cheap. This summer I plan on removing the drums off the Fiesta.

[McLovin]

I see doom has taken a shining to me so much, that he is writing poetry, just for little ole me

[Gixser995]

LovemyFord;188896 Wrote:

Gixser995;188870 Wrote:

LovemyFord;188863 Wrote:

The Voice of Doom;188838 Wrote:Don't Care who buys them. They are work trucks and get abused.

-Sales are sales, true. But given the profit margins on, say, a Denali or Laramie Limited, I don't think that Ford flooding the workplace with farm trucks exactly pads their bottom line.

How do the Dodge's hold up under same conditions, or are they not selling. Sorry, don't count weekend wariors or light contractors for a test of a truck...Hell, I wouldn't use my truck when promoting Ford's for working...I pamper mine. Full Syn oil every 7500 miles...try to clean her every other week. and approaching 41K on a 2010 already

-Nice assumption on my contractor buddy the "weekend warrior." A brutally INCORRECT one, but whatever.

As for mortality...A company down here in ND with the oil fields has had a lot of problems with engines. But pushing vehicles 25K between oil changes...well we just like to say its costs them $6k for an oil change.

-Don't know what you guys down there do as far as oil changes, don't care. The mortality rate I was referring to was with diesels. Specfically, Ford diesels were losing their cool. A recurring theme, it appears.

Boat anchors... Why, because they didn't do the best in the quarter? Fun when you could still tow more with an F-150 then the 1500. Trucks ain't race cars, and I'm more than happy with my third 5.4.

-Spoken like a guy who hasn't been stuck behind a loaded half-ton Ford blocking traffic on an uphill grade. Dismal power+no improvement in economy=5.4 fail.

One can never argue look, because everyone has different tastes. I say they look sad, an am ill impressed with them, and I use to work at a dodge store....best thing for me...made me realize I will NEVER buy a Jeep or Dodge.

-Fair enough. Then shut your piehole about your personal beefs. My first post about the Ram was just to say that it's innovations were keeping the full-size truck market from stagnating. That's all. You're a newbie, so I'll give you some advice: McLovin isn't a good example to follow if you're a Ford fan.

Innovations...What innovations have they brought to the market. Coil's in the back is about it. Oh and heated steering...There engines are not innovating at all anymore. So what innovation....Would you mean like GM being so innovating they had to go back to rear drum brakes.

Newbie...you may want to rethink that! I've taken a long, long break from this place...but not a newbie...so rethink that KID! As for me following anyone...NOPE...I've just determined I don't think I like you. I may have to lump you in the same group as Cream Puff! :ohmy: I Love Ford's yes, but wife wants and Audi, and that's what she'll get. I just really hate the fact of the bail outs...and don't consider Dodge domestic...consider they are primarly owned by Fiat and UAW. So it's Ford or nonbailed out imports for me!!!::

I've been around long enough to earn my bias. I use to want nothing but GM cars when the 3800 was around...owned three: 2 Buick Regals and an Olds Intrique...Oh and a lemon GMC S15...That was not professional grade

LOL, sorry ain't my truck holding up traffic 5.4 does just fine...well except when my dipshit brother showed up with his new ecoboost and wanted to race...I knew I was going to loss. Oh and he's another happy GM/Dodge Convert....Trade his Ponitac for the Ecoboost...His wife traded the Dodge Intrepid for a Edge.

You made a thread a few weeks back about hating the drama, then you post in here swinging. Dude, you adjusted too well. And I do agree GM should have never gone back to drum brakes. I hate them with a passion.

Thanks for pointing that out. I will issue myself a one week ban starting in three hours . Just certain people get under my skin, like this "VD" kid (Calls me a newb) and Cream Puff.

There are a lot of vehicles out there that still use rear drum. I don't understand it. Tech. has advanced and yout think it would be just as cheap. This summer I plan on removing the drums off the Fiesta.

You don't need to ban yourself. Many people here unfortunately do that everyday with every post. an outburst every once in a while is going to happen. lol

[The Voice of Doom]

LovemyFord;188896 Wrote:Thanks for pointing that out. I will issue myself a one week ban starting in three hours . Just certain people get under my skin, like this "VD" kid (Calls me a newb) and Cream Puff.

I look at your post count, I think you're a noob. I see that you read posts as closely as Wings, I think you're a dumb noob. Now, prove me wrong...

[McLovin]

Gm does not engineer their own diesels.
They do "co-engineer" their applications however.........which means they do the hard work of telling Isuzu how much power they need, or line up bolt patterns on housings and such.


You can say what you want bout the ford diesel, but you have to give them credit for producing a powerful diesel engine, completely by themselves, that is class leading in several ways. Just standing next to one, you are hard pressed to even tell if it is gas or diesel. Let's hear the competition claim the same. And that does matter to many. Fuel economy and emissions is best as well. Consider too that the ford is a pig in weight, yet still manages better.

I would say ford has done a great job with it.

Fuck the haters and their jap engines.

[The Voice of Doom]

You're just jealous that Ford had to sell off THEIR Japanese carmaker to make the mortgage payments.

[Gixser995]

Ford did a great job with the Powerstroke, yes.

And GM still developed the engine with a company owned by them. GM worked with Isuzu in a joint partnership with the motor. Who knows who did what.

As for quiet, the Duramax isn't a loud motor, either. I know, because I have worked on many diesels old and new. I've heard all of them in person. The Cummins is still pretty loud, and both the Dmax and Powerstroke are about the same with quietness.

[Thed]

Gixser995;188870 Wrote:

LovemyFord;188863 Wrote:

The Voice of Doom;188838 Wrote:Don't Care who buys them. They are work trucks and get abused.

-Sales are sales, true. But given the profit margins on, say, a Denali or Laramie Limited, I don't think that Ford flooding the workplace with farm trucks exactly pads their bottom line.

How do the Dodge's hold up under same conditions, or are they not selling. Sorry, don't count weekend wariors or light contractors for a test of a truck...Hell, I wouldn't use my truck when promoting Ford's for working...I pamper mine. Full Syn oil every 7500 miles...try to clean her every other week. and approaching 41K on a 2010 already

-Nice assumption on my contractor buddy the "weekend warrior." A brutally INCORRECT one, but whatever.

As for mortality...A company down here in ND with the oil fields has had a lot of problems with engines. But pushing vehicles 25K between oil changes...well we just like to say its costs them $6k for an oil change.

-Don't know what you guys down there do as far as oil changes, don't care. The mortality rate I was referring to was with diesels. Specfically, Ford diesels were losing their cool. A recurring theme, it appears.

Boat anchors... Why, because they didn't do the best in the quarter? Fun when you could still tow more with an F-150 then the 1500. Trucks ain't race cars, and I'm more than happy with my third 5.4.

-Spoken like a guy who hasn't been stuck behind a loaded half-ton Ford blocking traffic on an uphill grade. Dismal power+no improvement in economy=5.4 fail.

One can never argue look, because everyone has different tastes. I say they look sad, an am ill impressed with them, and I use to work at a dodge store....best thing for me...made me realize I will NEVER buy a Jeep or Dodge.

-Fair enough. Then shut your piehole about your personal beefs. My first post about the Ram was just to say that it's innovations were keeping the full-size truck market from stagnating. That's all. You're a newbie, so I'll give you some advice: McLovin isn't a good example to follow if you're a Ford fan.

Innovations...What innovations have they brought to the market. Coil's in the back is about it. Oh and heated steering...There engines are not innovating at all anymore. So what innovation....Would you mean like GM being so innovating they had to go back to rear drum brakes.

Newbie...you may want to rethink that! I've taken a long, long break from this place...but not a newbie...so rethink that KID! As for me following anyone...NOPE...I've just determined I don't think I like you. I may have to lump you in the same group as Cream Puff! :ohmy: I Love Ford's yes, but wife wants and Audi, and that's what she'll get. I just really hate the fact of the bail outs...and don't consider Dodge domestic...consider they are primarly owned by Fiat and UAW. So it's Ford or nonbailed out imports for me!!!::

I've been around long enough to earn my bias. I use to want nothing but GM cars when the 3800 was around...owned three: 2 Buick Regals and an Olds Intrique...Oh and a lemon GMC S15...That was not professional grade

LOL, sorry ain't my truck holding up traffic 5.4 does just fine...well except when my dipshit brother showed up with his new ecoboost and wanted to race...I knew I was going to loss. Oh and he's another happy GM/Dodge Convert....Trade his Ponitac for the Ecoboost...His wife traded the Dodge Intrepid for a Edge.

You made a thread a few weeks back about hating the drama, then you post in here swinging. Dude, you adjusted too well. And I do agree GM should have never gone back to drum brakes. I hate them with a passion.

Such a motherfucking bitch to work on those...

[Gixser995]

That's why I always go one at a time. SO you can reference the other side. It's also why I'm so glad my Blazer is disc all around.