[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

Chevroletguy;165857 Wrote:

Cmicasa the Great XvX;165774 Wrote:The SRX doesn't need to move up in size. It's spot on with the X5 already.



Cadillac simply needs to bring out the SLX (Lambda), new Escalade, and an Alpha based baby MRX to kill all notion that it is an X3 competitor. This is like the CTS vs 3Series debacle from previous years because of Price. The dumbest reason to compare vehicle in this segment than any I can think of ever.

So the SRX is an X5 at the price and weight of an X3. I see that working. Will the next gen stay on Theta-Premium or move to Alpha with the BRX/MRX/what-ever-the-hell-they-call-it? And I assume the SRX will move in price once the baby one comes out, like what will happen to the CTS with the ATS coming out.

I'll say this... if the SRX had a 400 HP V8 or even a TTV6 and a 556HP V8 we'd be making the same comparison that we make between the CTS and the 5series.

Hey WAITTAMINUTE GM!!!! There's an idea. A 400HP V8 in the CTS

All in all it a no brainer. The SRX is to the CTS the same way the "BRX" would be to the ATS, with exception to the platforms being different in the larger two. With the possibility of a smaller CUV I'm confident U would see the SRX move up in price to a starting $40K along with the CTS whose price is already now shifted to starting $36K

A Fleshed out Cadillac line-up that would, IMO, be complete would be:

ATS (Vseries option) (Coupe available)
BRX (Vseries option)
MLR (Mini Roadster) (Vseries option)
CTS (Vseries option) (Coupe available)
SRX (Vseries option) (Coupe available)
SLX (Lambda CUV) (Platinum Option)
XTS (Platinum Option)
Escalade (ESC, ESV, EXT) (Platinum Option)
ULS (Omega) (Vseries option) and (Platinum Option) (Coupe available)
CLX (AWD C7 based Mid-Engine)

[Chevroletguy]

What's wrong with a 400hp V8 in the CTS?

[docCarter]

I'd love one.

Matter of fact, is there a possibility of the Cadillac Ultra V8 coming back?

[Chevroletguy]

docCarter;165896 Wrote:I'd love one.

Matter of fact, is there a possibility of the Cadillac Ultra V8 coming back?

There was the rumor about a DOHC version of the Gen V small block, don't know if that actually came to fruition or not.

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

Chevroletguy;165894 Wrote:What's wrong with a 400hp V8 in the CTS?

Not a damn thing.. the " " is that Cadillac hasn't done it yet.

The only reason I was ever told that the CTS didn't have a V8 option outside of the V was the existence of the STS. The STS is DEAD now.. so that excuse doesn't fly anymore.

Base CTS Gen 3 320HP V6...
Diesel CTS Gen 3 250HP; 340lbs
Mid-Level CTS Gen3 with V8 or TTV6 worth 430HP .
Vseries CTS Gen3 to 600HP.

Done.. and MUTHAFUCKIN DONE!!!

[docCarter]

Maybe just skip a V8 and throw in a 3.6T

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

The crazy thing with Cadillac is that for the last 5 years it has every tool to make it King over Benz and BMW, but GM drags its fuckin feet.

The have the Escalade which in Platinum form damn near shits on the Range Rover

They could have upgraded the CTS this year by simply taking the STS's tech and options and making them available in the car. Including the V8, even if it were just the L99.

The could have kept the XLR. It's sales were actually not bad.. especially when coupled with the Vette's. They could have saved money by switching the engines from NS to LS3 and LSA.

They could have even had the RWD flagship out along with the XTS if they wanted to by using a stretched Sigma or even Zeta with the same material changes they made to EpII to create the 3900lb S-Class sized XTS

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

docCarter;165909 Wrote:Maybe just skip a V8 and throw in a 3.6T

Cool with that. A TT 3.6L would easily hit the 425HP mark... and the torque could be easily 460lbs.

[AudiR8]

Wait..... What's the SRX for then?

[Chevroletguy]

Cmicasa the Great XvX;165903 Wrote:

Chevroletguy;165894 Wrote:What's wrong with a 400hp V8 in the CTS?

Not a damn thing.. the " " is that Cadillac hasn't done it yet.

The only reason I was ever told that the CTS didn't have a V8 option outside of the V was the existence of the STS. The STS is DEAD now.. so that excuse doesn't fly anymore.

Base CTS Gen 3 320HP V6...
Diesel CTS Gen 3 250HP; 340lbs
Mid-Level CTS Gen3 with V8 or TTV6 worth 430HP .
Vseries CTS Gen3 to 600HP.

Done.. and MUTHAFUCKIN DONE!!!

It's not like the LS3 wouldn't fit, the LSA is an LS3 with a supercharger bolted on top.

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

AudiR8;165916 Wrote:Wait..... What's the SRX for then?

to do what its been doing... stealing RX, MDX, ML, and even X5 sales. I don't kno one mutha-effer who has a current SRX that cross-shopped it with the X3. Everyone of them cross-shopped it with one of the vehicles I just named.

People try and say that they attract a different buyer.. but they don't. Its the same argument I've had over whether the XTS will get some 7series and S-Class sales. It may not steal any hard core German sales, but I think it will grab quite a few. The car is HUGE. It's same in size to the eye as the 7series and damn near as big as the S-Class. U line all three up next to each other and what people will say is:

"Have U seen the new BIG CADILLAC?"

Most aren't gonna say:

"Have U seen the new Big Cadillac that isn't RWD like the 7series or S-Class"

Why?? Because they don't give a shit. The majority of luxo buyers buy because of the name, badge, and styling. Whatever makes them feel more pampered.

The SRX is a Luxo CUV that is stealing sales for Cadillac. The BRX will do the same for Cadillac versus the X3, Q5, EX, and GLK.

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

Chevroletguy;165946 Wrote:

Cmicasa the Great XvX;165903 Wrote:

Chevroletguy;165894 Wrote:What's wrong with a 400hp V8 in the CTS?

Not a damn thing.. the " " is that Cadillac hasn't done it yet.

The only reason I was ever told that the CTS didn't have a V8 option outside of the V was the existence of the STS. The STS is DEAD now.. so that excuse doesn't fly anymore.

Base CTS Gen 3 320HP V6...
Diesel CTS Gen 3 250HP; 340lbs
Mid-Level CTS Gen3 with V8 or TTV6 worth 430HP .
Vseries CTS Gen3 to 600HP.

Done.. and MUTHAFUCKIN DONE!!!

It's not like the LS3 wouldn't fit, the LSA is an LS3 with a supercharger bolted on top.

Right. The absence of the engine has nothing to do with fit... it has to do with GM always trying to make a splash.

Seriously... The domestics... particularly GM and Ford are most guilty of this. They think everyone is always watching. The new Malibu could have launched with the current 2.4L. The C7 could launch with a slight tuned-up LS3.. but GM must make a splash... and it hold up the market. In other words don't hold up product for the sake of a new engine... when the old engine was damn good in the first place. Mainstream buyers don't go into a dealership with the "Oh... yeah... there's that beautiful new Malibu.. I heard it has the new 2.5L in it." They don't even know about the damn engine in most cases. They know about the car they saw at the show.. or on the streets.

[RoTiCaFo]

Cadillac could be great, but it's run by GM so it isn't.

It pisses me off really because after the CTS came out in 08 ,and the V the following year, they had all kinds of momentum to build on and they spoiled it. Instead they give us a ho hum XTS. Maybe the ATS will be great but I seriously doubt it will be the massive jump forward the 08 CTS was.

Cadillac also needs to get its ass in gear and make the Escalade more than a fancy Tahoe/Suburban.

There is nothing wrong with having a small but excellent group of cars to choose from. If anything it's what Cadillac needs in order to drive up their Brandt's prestige.

[Cmicasa the GreatXvX]

RoTiCaFo;166575 Wrote:Cadillac could be great, but it's run by GM so it isn't.

U kno.. coupla years ago I would have completely agreed, but these days I have to say the dragging of feet is the only issue GM has. That could be more to do with re-establishing themselves in the market than any type of mismanagement. GM, after all, is the most watched automaker on the planet bar none.

Quote:It pisses me off really because after the CTS came out in 08 ,and the V the following year, they had all kinds of momentum to build on and they spoiled it. Instead they give us a ho hum XTS. Maybe the ATS will be great but I seriously doubt it will be the massive jump forward the 08 CTS was.

I think it's gonna exceed the expectations and the accomplishments of the G2 CTS. The G3 CTS will come back and trump even that. Mules are already on the road.

I'm seriously wondering tho.. what about the XTS, upon your driving it, struck U as "Ho Hum?" How did it drive? What was the ride like? Did U dislike the feel of the interior? Was it fast? Was it slow? Did it handle shitty? Did people not stop and stare? Just wondering. ::

Also.. how can I get a ride on this Time Machine U took a ride to the future on, because to my knowledge.. the XTS is still on the Show Car circuit.

Quote:Cadillac also needs to get its ass in gear and make the Escalade more than a fancy Tahoe/Suburban.

The same Tahoe/Suburban that cost up to $60K. The same Tahoe/Suburban that sits in the driveways of many of an "Elitist?" I think the "bones" of the Escalade are already premium... the Escalade simply makes the rest of it even more so. OH.. and unlike a fuckin LR/Jag Range Rover.. it runs when U turn the key..

Quote:There is nothing wrong with having a small but excellent group of cars to choose from. If anything it's what Cadillac needs in order to drive up their Brandt's prestige.

U drive a Jag right? A brand that encompasses like what??? 3 cars??? If anything Cadillac and Jag are on the same level of prestige.. with Caddy taking the immediate proper steps to set itself right

[RoTiCaFo]

Being watched has nothing to do with the quality of management. GM was the most watched automaker in the world when it was filling out the paperwork for Chapter 11.

Based on what we know now about the XTS is at best ho hum. It's even been ,more or less ,put forward as a stop gap measure before Cadillac can design and build an actual competitive vehicle.

The Escalade, while a nice enough vehicle, is being left behind the times. If anything Cadillac should bench mark the Range Rover and shoot for it with a redesign. An Escalade with even a modicum of off road ability with its style and such would sell like crazy at $70k. I'd be driving one right now I'd the Escalade wasn't an overpriced Tahoe.

Cadillac is stumbling right now.